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“No religion says kill” That is not true
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2017-01-15 04:28:29 UTC
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"Unlike Christianity which preached a peace that it never achieved, Islam unashamedly came with a sword." -- Steven Runchiman

Your article says: “No religion says kill”

That is not true. Some of what Koran says:

[2.191] And kill them wherever you find them, and drive them out from whence they drove you out, and persecution is severer than slaughter, and do not fight with them at the Sacred Mosque until they fight with you in it, but if they do fight you, then slay them; such is the recompense of the unbelievers.

[4.89] They desire that you should disbelieve as they have disbelieved, so that you might be (all) alike; therefore take not from among them friends until they fly (their homes) in Allah's way; but if they turn back, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them, and take not from among them a friend or a helper.

[28.33] He said: My Lord! surely I killed one of them, so I fear lest they should slay me;


Some of what Bible says::

Exodus 1:16: “When you are helping the Hebrew women during childbirth on the delivery stool, if you see that the baby is a boy, kill him; but if it is a girl, let her live.”

Genesis 34:25: "Three days later, while all of them were still in pain, two of Jacob’s sons, Simeon and Levi, Dinah’s brothers, took their swords and attacked the unsuspecting city, killing every male."

Therefore, no religion can be any better than the people who follows it.



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http://www.worldbulletin.net/headlines/183142/terror-has-no-religion-turkeys-religious-leaders

14 January 2017 Saturday

Terror has no religion: Turkey's religious leaders

Leading Muslim, Jewish, and Christian leaders in ancient Hatay city condemn all types of terror and call for peace, solidarity


World Bulletin / News Desk

Prominent leaders of various religions based in Turkey's southern Hatay province continue to condemn all types of terror attacks and call for nationwide peace and solidarity.

Hatay, bordering Syria, is a symbol of Anatolia’s cradle of civilizations, where mosques, synagogues and churches and their believers have coexisted and operated peacefully for thousands of years.

"Islam is a religion of peace and tolerance, which our prophet [Mohammed] brought forth 1,400 years ago. Whoever kills an individual unjustly, it is as though he has killed all humanity. And whoever saves a life, it is as though he had saved all humanity," Mufti Hamdi Kavilioglu this week said reciting a hadith – teaching – of the Prophet Mohammed.

"Therefore, I condemn all types of terror."

He said Hatay is a center of tolerance where Sunni Muslims and Alevis, various Christian sects, as well as Jews have been living in peace for centuries without any religious or ethnic discrimination.

"Whatever a person’s beliefs or lifestyle, Islam teaches that all lives are blessed. Terror has no language, religion, or ethnicity."



- ‘No religion says kill'

Saul Cenudioglu, the head of Hatay’s Jewish Community Foundation, also condemned all types of terrorism, saying that all faiths forbid terrorism.

"Our spaces for prayers might be different. We pray at the synagogue, Christians pray at the church, and Muslims at the mosque, but the source of our prayers is the same: we all believe in one God," Cenudioglu told Anadolu Agency.

"No religion says 'kill.' Saying 'Allahu Akbar" [God is great] and then killing someone doesn't belong to any religion. Those [terrorists] who do it belong to no religion, they are not human beings."

Cenudioglu also called for unity in Turkey, and wished peace for the entire world.

Fadi Hurigilm, head of the eastern Orthodox Church Foundation in Hatay’s capital Antakya, also condemned terror attacks, saying such malicious acts will never be able to shake the solidarity in Turkey.

"Although the colors of our eyes may differ, the colors of our tears are the same. If anything happens to anyone, we all cry and share the same pain," he said.

-Fighting terror at home and abroad

The multi-faith condemnations of terror and calls for peace come amid Turkey’s fierce struggle against various terrorist groups both at home and abroad.

Ankara has been taking steps to crack down on ISIL ever since 2014, when the terror group launched a series of suicide bombings in Turkey.

Turkeys’ fight against the PKK/PYD both at home and in northern Syria also continues. The PKK, which resumed its decades-old armed campaign in July 2015, is listed as a terrorist organization by Turkey, the U.S., and the EU, and Turkey points to the PYD as its Syrian affiliate.

Since July 2015, over 1,100 people, including over 800 security personnel and over 300 civilians, have lost their lives due to PKK attacks. More than 4,000 security personnel and over 2,000 civilians have also been injured.

Turkey also continues its operations against the Fetullah Terror Organization (FETO) network, blamed for the July 2016 defeated coup.

Turkey holds U.S.-based FETO leader Fetullah Gulen responsible for leading the coup plot, which left at least 248 people martyred and nearly 2,200 injured.
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2017-01-15 11:24:19 UTC
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"Unlike Christianity which preached a peace that it never achieved, Islam unashamedly came with a sword." -- Steven Runchiman
Your article says: “No religion says kill”
[2.191] And kill them wherever you find them, and drive them out from whence they drove you out, and persecution is severer than slaughter, and do not fight with them at the Sacred Mosque until they fight with you in it, but if they do fight you, then slay them; such is the recompense of the unbelievers.
[4.89] They desire that you should disbelieve as they have disbelieved, so that you might be (all) alike; therefore take not from among them friends until they fly (their homes) in Allah's way; but if they turn back, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them, and take not from among them a friend or a helper.
[28.33] He said: My Lord! surely I killed one of them, so I fear lest they should slay me;
Exodus 1:16: “When you are helping the Hebrew women during childbirth on the delivery stool, if you see that the baby is a boy, kill him; but if it is a girl, let her live.”
Genesis 34:25: "Three days later, while all of them were still in pain, two of Jacob’s sons, Simeon and Levi, Dinah’s brothers, took their swords and attacked the unsuspecting city, killing every male."
Therefore, no religion can be any better than the people who follows it.
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http://www.worldbulletin.net/headlines/183142/terror-has-no-religion-turkeys-religious-leaders
14 January 2017 Saturday
Terror has no religion: Turkey's religious leaders
Leading Muslim, Jewish, and Christian leaders in ancient Hatay city condemn all types of terror and call for peace, solidarity
World Bulletin / News Desk
Prominent leaders of various religions based in Turkey's southern Hatay province continue to condemn all types of terror attacks and call for nationwide peace and solidarity.
Hatay, bordering Syria, is a symbol of Anatolia’s cradle of civilizations, where mosques, synagogues and churches and their believers have coexisted and operated peacefully for thousands of years.
"Islam is a religion of peace and tolerance, which our prophet [Mohammed] brought forth 1,400 years ago. Whoever kills an individual unjustly, it is as though he has killed all humanity. And whoever saves a life, it is as though he had saved all humanity," Mufti Hamdi Kavilioglu this week said reciting a hadith – teaching – of the
Prophet Mohammed.
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"Therefore, I condemn all types of terror."
He said Hatay is a center of tolerance where Sunni Muslims and Alevis, various Christian sects, as well as Jews have been living in peace for centuries without any religious or ethnic discrimination.
"Whatever a person’s beliefs or lifestyle, Islam teaches that all lives are blessed. Terror has no language, religion, or ethnicity."
- ‘No religion says kill'
Saul Cenudioglu, the head of Hatay’s Jewish Community Foundation, also condemned all types of terrorism, saying that all faiths forbid terrorism.
"Our spaces for prayers might be different. We pray at the synagogue, Christians pray at the church, and Muslims at the mosque, but the source of our prayers is the same: we all believe in one God," Cenudioglu told Anadolu Agency.
"No religion says 'kill.' Saying 'Allahu Akbar" [God is great] and then killing someone doesn't belong to any religion. Those [terrorists] who do it belong to no religion, they are not human beings."
Cenudioglu also called for unity in Turkey, and wished peace for the entire world.
Fadi Hurigilm, head of the eastern Orthodox Church Foundation in Hatay’s capital Antakya, also condemned terror attacks, saying such malicious acts will never be able to shake the solidarity in Turkey.
"Although the colors of our eyes may differ, the colors of our tears are the same. If anything happens to anyone, we all cry and share the same pain," he said.
-Fighting terror at home and abroad
The multi-faith condemnations of terror and calls for peace come amid Turkey’s fierce struggle against various terrorist groups both at home and abroad.
Ankara has been taking steps to crack down on ISIL ever since 2014, when the terror group launched a series of suicide bombings in Turkey.
Turkeys’ fight against the PKK/PYD both at home and in northern Syria also continues. The PKK, which resumed its decades-old armed campaign in July 2015, is listed as a terrorist organization by Turkey, the U.S., and the EU, and Turkey points to the PYD as its Syrian affiliate.
Since July 2015, over 1,100 people, including over 800 security personnel and over 300 civilians, have lost their lives due to PKK attacks. More than 4,000 security personnel and over 2,000 civilians have also been injured.
Turkey also continues its operations against the Fetullah Terror Organization (FETO) network, blamed for the July 2016 defeated coup.
Turkey holds U.S.-based FETO leader Fetullah Gulen responsible for leading the coup plot, which left at least 248 people martyred and nearly 2,200 injured.
There should be a Dangerous Gods Act.

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